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Sharp exchanges on integration policy

4th February 1966
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ASHORT, sharp Front Bench exchange about transport integration livened up the Commons last week.

It started off innocently enough, with Sir Martin Redmayne, the Shadow Minister of Transport, asking the Prime Minister what variations of responsibilities there had been since the appointment of Mrs. Barbara Castle.

If Sir Martin was referring to the allocation of responsibilities between departments, the answer was "none", replied Mr. Wilson.

But, retorted Sir Martin, was it not true, as was learned from the propaganda put out from No. 10, that Mrs. Castle had accepted responsibility to socialize transport by integration, whereas this responsibility had been rejected by her predecessor on the best advice available?

If that was the best Sir Martin could do, he was getting very worried about it, replied the Prime Minister. It had been explained on many occasions—before the election, during the election and since—by Mr. Fraser, that Labour policy was to integrate.

That was the policy of the last Minister, it was Mrs. Castle's policy, and she was getting on with it.

Against the best advice already accepted by the Government, observed Sir Martin.

Back came the Prime Minister with: "I do not know whether the right honorable gentleman is referring to his own ineffective speeches, or claiming some knowledge, accurate or inaccurate—presumably the latter—of the advice tendered to the Minister by his and her civil servants."

This caused a protest about "personal abuse" from Sir Ian Orr-Ewing (Tory, Hendon North), who asked the Speaker to draw Mr. Wilson's attention to the example he was setting.

It was important that the House must leave the cut and thrust of debate in the control of the Chair, replied the Speaker. He hoped, too, that members were not going to be too hypersensitive.


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