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No right to tours licence

7th November 1969
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Which of the following most accurately describes the problem?

• Merely because an operator has a local stage carriage service there is no justification in saying he has the right to an excursion and tours licence. This was claimed by Miss E. Havers, representing H. and C. Beach Ltd. and Conway Hunt Ltd., on the sixth and final day of the application by Golden Miller, of Feltham, Middx, for a new group of 27 excursions and tours from Feltham station, Hanworth and Charlton Village. It was heard by the deputy chairman of the Traffic Commissioners, Mr. W. Levitt, and his decision will be in writing.

The applicant's witnesses, she said, had supported the application because of Golden Miller's local bus services which they held in high esteem. None of these people, she added, would find it difficult to reach one of the existing services at such points as Kingston and Hounslow.

Miss Havers said that where a new operator makes an application, one must not judge it by the individual tours but by the general comparison with existing facilities. Beach and Conway Hunt already provided adequate express and excursion and tour facilities, the latter catering especially for Stately Homes. Nothing must be allowed to detract from existing express services which had to be worked regularly.

Objecting on behalf of Southdown Motor Services Ltd. and Royal Blue Express Services, Mr. S. Rourke, assistant traffic manager of Southdown, said that although there was a decline in excursion traffic it was not so marked as on the express services. There were day-return facilities on express services and these played an important part for day excursionists. People should be expected to travel by existing bus and rail services to coach pick-ups, especially where there were good connections by rail and Green Line.

There was no relevance in comparing the tours of the applicant with existing ones, until it had been proved that there was need for the whole group, claimed Mr. P. Kenworthy Brown, appearing on behalf of Valliant Cronshaw Ltd. of Uxbridge, Middx. the principle to be applied to the case, was the needs of the area as a whole. Other services had to be kept running and Valliant's Feltham agent had stated that there was a decrease in coach demand in the area over the past few years.

On behalf of the applicant, Mr. John H. Fielder said that the last unsuccessful application for a new licence in that area had been in 1954 by Acorn Motors. Since then the neighbouring operators had neglected new tours because they feared there would be too much opposition should any of them apply. Considerable distances had to be travelled to reach pick-up points of existing tours. This was both time consuming and expensive. Unfortunately, London Transport services to Hounslow, Twickenham and Kingston had deteriorated.

Commenting on the tours programme for which it had applied, Mr. Fielder said these tours were going to have driver/couriers and a fully commentated itinerary. They were, in fact, not to be compared with tours from the surrounding districts.


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