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11th November 1924
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Which of the following most accurately describes the problem?

The wheels of wealth will be slowed by all diffieu,:ties of transport at whatever points arising, as a carriage is by the roughness

of tlie•roacts over which it runs."—john Beattie Crozier.

International Roads Congress.

The annual meeting of the Permanent International Commission of Road Congresses was held in Paris some days ago, when Great Britain was represented by Mr. C. H. Bressey, chief engineer of Roads Department, Ministry of Transport. By the recent addition of Australia, the Irish Free State and the Government of Northern Ireland; the number of States subscribing to the Association has now reached thirty-nine, whilst the list of individual and corporate members shows a steady increase.

The principal business of the meeting was to discuss the preparations for the next roads congress which is to be held at Milan in the autumn of 1926, at the same time as the annual exhibition. As a result of the presence• at Paris of the leading members of the local organizing committee which has been formed at Milan, decisions were taken on several points of importance. The congress will open on Monday, September 6th, 1926, and will last the whole of the week, terminating with a reception at Rome. Apart from the papers to be read and the special interest of this closing function, the congress will afford a welcome. Opportunity of inspecting the great motor road from Milan to the Italian Lakes, which is now in course of construction, and which is the first example of a motor-way reserved, on payment of toil,, for mechanically propelled vehicles.

A British organizing committee is established in London at the offices of the Ministry of Transport, 7, Whitehall Gardens, S.W.1, where inquiries can be addressed to Mr. E. B. Hart, joint honorary secretary.

The New "Commercial Motor' Cup.

The new Commercial Motor Challenge Cup which has been presented to the Commercial Motor Users Association by th-e proprietors of this journal is intended to replace the first cup with the same origin and title won outright in the spring by Thomas Wetherell and Sons. Ltd., of Marlow, Bucks. It is a larger trophy than the first cup and is decorated in a modern French style, so that the two cups are quite dissimilar. A deed of gift is now being prepared, and it is probable that it will not provide for the new cup being able to be won outright, as it is felt that there is more glamour about winning a trophy which has a long history and many traditions. The cup was handed to the Association after the meeting of the National Council on Wednesday last and graced the table in front of the president at the coming-of-age banquet in the evening.

Final Drive of Caledon Six-wheeler.

In our description of the new sixwheeled (four of them driving) chassis, made by the Caledon Motor Co., Ltd., and published by us in our last issue, the block. illustrating the coupling between the two driving axles was inadvertently displaced after the proof had left the Editor's hands, and appeared upside down. Possibly the shading B20 showed our readers that this was the case, otherwise it might have seemed as if the worm shaft was placed below the axle and the telescopic coupling above. The worm drive is overhead and the coupling below.

London's Independent Bus Owners Meet.

The independent bus ownera of London met last week to consider the opera. Lien of the new London Traffic Act, particular attention being paid to the working of the clause under which operating schedules are framed, lodged and approved.

American Production.

According to figures which have recently been issued, 30,061 commercial vehicles were produced in the United States during September, as against 27,510 in the previous month. The figures are based on reports received from 205 manufacturers.

The Scottish Show.

• The 23rd annual Exhibition of the Royal Scottish -Automobile Club will open at Kelvin Hall, Glasgow, on Friday, November 21st, and will remain cpen until the end of the next week. A full and well-illustrated report of the commercial motor vehicle exhibits will appear in the issue of The Commercial Motor for November 25th.

A Fiat Change.

Fiat Motors, Ltd., 43-44, Albemarle Street, London, W., and Wembley, Middlesex, have for many years been sole concessionnaires for Great Britain, Northern Ireland and, latterly, the Irish Free State, for Fiat motor vehicles manufactured by the Fiat Co., of Italy. The Italian company have considerably extended their ramifications since the war, and it has been decided, therefore, that a new company styled Fiat (England), Ltd., shall take over the concession hitherto handled by Fiat Motors, Ltd., and the sale of other engineering products of the Italian house.

Mr. D'Arcy Baker, who has for the past 21 years been in charge of Fiat interests in the United Kingdom and Ireland, will continue to act in this capacity and will also be chairman of the board of directors of the new company.

For Remedying Traffic Congestion.

Mr. Basil Mott, in his presidential address before a meeting of the Institution of Civil Engineers, one day last week, discussed the question of London's traffic problem, and suggested that if new roads were to be constructed it was by no means impossible to build them underground, providing compulsory powers were given to public authorities for passing under property at a reasonable depth. He said that something of much greater scope than traffic regulation would undoubtedly have to be undertaken in the near future, and that this suggestion might provide a solution of the problem.

A Dennis Municipal Tipper.

We regret that through an unfortunate error the name of "Dennis" was omitted from the caption to the block on page 343 of our last issue. The threeway hydraulically operated tipping lorry, which was illustrated, has been supplied by Dennis Bros., Ltd., of Guildford. to the Woking Urban District Council, and a feature of the bodywork is the two-piece hinged sides, the lower halves forming extensions of the floor level in order to permit the load to be discharged clear of the vehicle. Dennis vehicles have achieved considerable success in municipal spheres of operation.

Hyatt Delco-Remy Amalgamation.

Hyatt Ltd., and Delco-Remy, Ltd., have recently amalgamated, and its future the title of the company wilt be Delco-Remy and Hyatt Ltd. The husi'ness previously carried on by Hyatt Ltd. will he continued by the new company, the managing director being Mr.. W. 0. Kennington, whilst Mr. Dudley Lovell is a director and general manager, Mr. R. M. Emilie a director and secretary, and Mr. 0, M. Humphreys assistant secretary. We note that the company, have 20 service agents established in Great Britain, two in the Irish Free State, and 12 on the Continent of Europe. All these agents carry full stocks of Hyatt and N.D. bearings.

Canadian Exports.

According to official figures just issued' 750 commercial vehicles, of a carrying capacity of less than I ton, were shipped from Canada during September, 168 of these machines having as their destination the United Kingdom and 157 India, whilst 145 were shipped to New Zealand, During the same period only one vehicle was exported from the country with a carrying capacity of more than 1 ton.

The total number of goods-carrying vehicles exported from Canada during the 12 months ended September last was 13,689, as compared with 9,006 for the previous 12 months.

Chesterfield to Abandon Tramways.

Chesterfield Corporation Tramways Committee has further considered a report by Mr. A. Baker, general manager of the Birmingham Corporation 'framways, on the question of transport, and decided that the time has arrived when the tramway system should be replaced by another form of passenger transport. The committee has instructed the tramways manager to arrange to proceed, with some members of the committee, to Birmingham and Wolverhampton to inspect the motorbuses and railless vehicles in operation in those centres.

20 per cent. Traffic Increase in Two Years.

The county surveyor of Lancashire undertook a census of traffic on certain main roads in the county for seven consecutive days of 16 hours each during August, and results which have recently been issued show that the total daily -weight carried on these (33) roads amounted to 157,483 tons, as compared with 130,714 tons for the same period in 1922. The average increase in the two years, therefore, is shown to be over 20 per cent. On only one road out of the 33—the Preston and Wigan road —was an actual decrease in traffic recorded. In this ease the daily weight carried in 1922 amounted to 2;560 tons, whilst the recent returns show a daily weight of 2,325 tons.

Advantages of Small Buses.

At a meeting of the South Shields Corporation the question of running omnibuses inside the borough in certain districts, and also the present service to Buldon colliery, was considered. The tramways manager referred to the dilapidated condition of two of the present bus bodies, and suggested that additional small buses should be purchased—vehicles that could be handled by one mar.—for the purpose of running a snore regular and efficient service. He was instructed to obtain details as to the cost of three small buses of this type.

Dunlop Dinner to Mr. Bergin.

A dinner was held in the Grand Hotel, London, a few days ago in honour of Mr. L. M. Bergin, the retiring managing director of the Dunlop Rubber Co., Ltd. Sir George 13eharrell presided in the absence of the chairman, Sir Eric Geddes, and he proposed the toast of "Our Guest." He was supported by Mr. C. A. Proctor, representing the Dunlop interests abroad, Mr. H. E. Holmes on behalf of the headquarters sales management, Mr. W. H. Paull,

for the technical side, Mr. C. G. Thistle. Ion, the company's London manager, speaking for the, outside sales staff. A musical programme added to the enjoyment of the evening's proceedings.

London Motorbus for Buenos Aires.

The appearance of a "real London motorbus " in the streets of Buenos Aires recently appears to have caused no small measure of excitement there. The introduction of the vehicle by the Compania Argentina de Autohuses, is according to the local " Standard," "nothing less than an endeavour to improve the standard of omnibus service all over the city," and if the plan meets with success, "there is no doubt that Buenos Aires will see at least another six of the same type within the year.'' The journal adds that at present the Campania Argentina de Autobuses own 20 omnibuses which run on service to Plaza de Mayo. These vehicles are of Italian make, and although still giving good service can hardly be compared with the modern Tilling-Stevens bus. recently put into service.

Dail•ngton's Purchases. ,

The Darlington Corporation has decided to augment its small, but efficient, motor fleet by the purchase of two new vehicles. One, a 1-ton Ford wagon, is to be purchased for use by the electricity department for the purpose of rushing men and materials to urgent jobs coming under the administration of that department, and the other, a motor delivery van, for the gaswwks cemmittee, is to be used for distribution of .fittings, etc.

Petrol Stores for L.C.C. Fire Brigade.

Th'e L,0 C. Fire Brigade Committee reports that it is necessary to make arrangements for the construction of petrol stores and pumping wells at certain fire stations, and that it would be in the council's interests, in the present instance, to obtain tenders for the work.

New Lancashire Road.

Those authorities interested in the construction of the proposed new road between Liverpool and Manchester have recently conferred for the purpose of discussing the project which, it is estimated, will cost at least £2,000,000.

The Ministry of Transport, it is stated, has offered special inducements to the Manchester Corporation in the hope of securing its active participation in the scheme but, so far, the authorities have not departed from their original decision to withhold their support. The new road, it is.interesting to note, has the support of the Regional Town Planning authority.

Hauling a Lifeboat 2,500 Miles.

We reproduce on this page an illustration of a Foden steam tractor which, loaned by tha manufacturers, Fodens. Ltd., of Sandbach, last April, has just

completed a lengthy tour of the country for the Royal National Lifeboat Association. On this tour the vehicle has hauled a lifeboat, and it has covered a total distance of over 2,500 miles without the slightest mechanical trouble of any description. During the whole of the tour the machine was in charge of the one driver.

Some of our readers may remember that we illustrated a vehicle of this type some months ago hauling five loaded trailers in South Africa, where 12 machines of similar make and type are doing good work.

A M. of T. Road ProposaL

The Ministry of Transport has proposed the construction of a new road between Harrow and Watford to pass slightly to the west of the former and link up with the existing Rickmansworth-Watford road at a short distance from the latter centre. At the touthern end it would connect with the Sudbury spur of the north circular arterial road, -which is rapidly nearing completion. The plans for the construction of the road, which will be about nine miles long, have already been discussed by the local authorities concerned.

Claim for Bus-damaged Roads.

The highways committee of the Lancashire County Council reports that some time ago it decided to take proceedings against the British Electric Traction Co., Ltd., in respect of damage alleged to have been caused to the l3arrow-Ulverston main road by the company's motar omnibuses. As the damage extended over a number of years, and one action could only cover one year's damage, it was found necessary to enter a series of actioni against the company in the High Court.

As the conditions under which motor omnibuses use the highways have materially changed since the Roads Act, 1920, became operative, and as there was considerable doubt az to whether the county council would ultimately be successful in the actions from the legal point of view, it was thought desirable to come to an amicable arrangement with the defendants, and, upon instructions of the committee, Mr. G. Hammond Etherton, the clerkof the council, approached the defendants' solicitors With the object of effecting a settlement.

The company have now offered to pay £1,500 in full settlement of the actions, and this sum the committee has agreed to accept.

American Exports.

During the month of August 2,351 eammercial vehicles and buses (electrics eicepted) were exported from the United -States, valued at 1,791,655 dollars. Of this number Italy imported 400 vehicles, Australia 325, the United Kingdom 207, Cuba 138, Uruguay 109, Chili aa, Canada 87, British Africa 66.

Morecambe's Transport Problem.

Morecambe Corporation has held a special meeting to consider the question of municipal passenger transport. Balance-sheets and statistics were then presented to enable the members to come to some conclusion with respect to the form of traction to be employed on Marine Road and Victoria Esplanade., but, after some discussion, it. was de

cided to wait until the tramways committee had completed its investigations, which are now proceeding, and to consider its report at a later date.

Calling the Ambulance.

At a meeting of the East Ham Corporation Health Committee the town clerk submitted a letter from the East Ham Rentpayers' and Ratepayers' Asso

elation asking the council to consider the advisability of increasing the facilities for calling up the ambulance in various parts of the borough, either by telephonic communication with the fire alarms or some other method, but the committee thinks that existing arrangements are satisfactory.

Sir George Beharrell, managing director of the Dunlop Rubber Co. Ltd., has arrived in New York on a business trip, and will not return to this country until early in December.

Supervising Bus Services..

Some indication of the thoroughness which the newly reconstituted Monmouthshire Urban Disirict Council joint transport advisory committee intends to apply to its task of supervising and controlling the bus systems of the county was given at a recent meeting of the Chepstow Council.

It was stated that in addition to its

functions of drafting by-laws for general application to buses in the county, the co-ordinating of services and times of running and the issuing of licences to bus proprietors, the committee intends to employ inspectors to supervise the services on the road. This will mean that the constituent councils will each contribute a sum towards the support of the committee's staff,

The Chepstow council has decided to be represented on the Committee and has expressed the opinion that except on the Newport-Chepstow route the bus services existing are adequate to local needs.

Japanese Market Overstocked.

Owing to the rapid recovery made from the earthquake of September, 1923, the lorry and bus market in Japan is overstocked. A number of bus services, inaugurated by the Government owing to the breakdown of the tramway systems, has been discontinued, and many buses are being offered for sale at low prices. Imports are at present practically nil.

Accidents at Oxford.

At a meeting of the Oxford Watch Committee the chief constable submitted a list of street accidents known to the police in which personal injury was received during the period from July 1st to September, 1924, showing a total of 3 accidents and 36 cases of personal injury, three of which were fatal.

Lifeguards for Buses.

At a meeting of the Brighton Watch Committee it was decided to make it a condition of the issue of licences for motorbuses that effective side lifeguards be provided on every vehicle, to the satisfaction of the chief constable. .

L.C.C. Pump Competition.

The L.C.C. Fire Brigade Committee reports that the final round of the seventh annual motor pump competition was recently •held at the chief station. The competition was won, in 1 min. 39R. secs., by the team from the Vauxhall fire station, the second place being taken by the team from the Edgware Road Station (1 min. 43g. secs.), and the third place by the team from the Bishopsgate station. The challenge cup, presented by the chairman (Lieut.-Col. Eric Ball), was handed to the winning 'team by the vice-chairman (Mr. Geof

frey Head). '

Public Motor Services in Belgium.

A new law canie. into operation in Belgium some days ago relative to the running of public motor services in that country. It prohibits the establishment of regular public services without official authorization, p.rovision being made, however, for the issue by the Ministry of Agriculture and Public Works of provisional permits 'valid for a period of not more than three months.

The official authorization must be obtained from (1). the local, communal council when the proposed service does not extend beyond the limits of the district or of two adjoining communes; (2) from the provincial councils when the service extends over a greater number of communes in a single province, or in default of agreement between any interested communal authorities, and (3) by the King when a projected service extends over more than one province. An appeal may be made to the provincial authority upon refusal to grant a licence under (1) and to the King against any refusal under (2), but notice of appeal must be entered within 10 days of the notification of the refusal to the applicant.

Before any authorization is granted an inquiry will be held into the utility of the enterprise, the route to We covered and the proposed fare tariff. Authorizations will be limited to a maximum term of twenty years.

PT—lie new law cancels that in force since July 14th, 1903, brut existing licences are still to be valid.

Bus Safety Measures.

Peterborough's chief constable has presented a report to the •watch committee with reference to the licensing of new Vehicles plying for hire, and the committee has inspected an omnibus belonging to the Electric Traction Co., Ltd., in which some of the improve

ments suggested by the chief constable, particularly a rear emergency step, have been incorporated. The committee has approved of the chief eunstable'e recommendations and authorized him to insist upon the provision of • a rear emergency step, or steps, befce e any omnibus will be licensed. The committee has also decided that the regulations are to contain a condition that no bus be replenished with petrol whilst passengers are inside the vehicle.

A .Ford 2i-ton Truck ?

A. report is current in America that the Ford Motor Co., of Detroit, are preparing to add a 4-ton truck to their range of productions.

Motor Sweeping by Night.

The city surveyor of Christchurch, New Zealand, has prepared a statement as to the comparative cost of sweeping by night by motor vehicles and, sweeping by day by horse traction, and this reveals 6, weekly saving of £8 when the former method is employed. He points out that sweeping by night has a decided advantage over the day work, inasmuch as the whole surface of the carriageway can be swept without interruption by traffic, whereas in the day time the brooms have to he pulled oil the track frequently to avoid traffic.

Bury Corporation's investigation.

Bury Cerporation is obtaining information . from other local authorities and other sources as to the most economical method of transport, comparing light motor haulage with horsedrawn vehicles.A sub-committee has been appointed to consider the matter in its application to local conditions.

An Improved Single-deck Bus.

Oxford Watch Committee has exainined a single,cleck "bus with an improved rear exit, and received an intimation' from the, manager of the City of Oxford Motor Services, Ltd., that on new buses put into service by the company further improvements would be introduced. The committee resolved that, with a suggested slight alteration, the improved rear exit on old single-deck buses be regarded as satisfactory.,

Blackpool Hesitates.

As an indication of modern passenger transport development, it is interesting to learn that the proposal of the Blackpool Corporation Tramways Committee to extend one of its tramway routes has been referred back for further consideration. Certain enterprising members of the council have suggested that the use of pneumatic-tyred buses would better meet the 'needs of the district and, moreover, that the tendency in all big cities and towns is to abandon tramway systems completely in favour of more flexible means of transport.

Damage by Municipal Buses.

At a conference of representatives of South Shields Corporation and the rural district council regarding a scheme for extending the tramway service to Cleadon, Mr. Hann, of the rural council, took the opportunity of referring to the corporation bus service to Boltion colliery, He said that the vehicles, which are shod with solid tyres, are doing damage to the rural roads, and

unless steps were taken to minimize the risk of further damage, he was afraid the corporation would be faced with a claim per mile of road for reconstruction.

A Co-ordinated Traffic Department: Mr. R. J. Armstrong, A.M.Inst.T., who has been removals and warehousing manager to John Walsh Ltd. for a number of years, has, we learn, now taken over the motor 'delivery department of the company, thus concentrating the whole of their traffic under one head. Mr. Armstrong, as may be known, is president of the Furniture, Warehouse' men and 'Removers' Association and a member of the council of the Commercial Motor 'Users Association.

Fontardawe's,Resolution Withdrawn. A resolution on the agenda' of the Pontardawe Rural District Council that • the council insist on .the Ministry of Health reconsidering its refusal to grant urban powers to the council in the matter of bus licensing and control has been withdrawn on the understanding that the Ministry is now framing a new Bill dealing with the powers of local authorities concerning bus licensing and government.

Rear Lights for Cycles,

Guildford Watch Committee has decided that, with a view to securing the safety of the public generally, an Act of Parliament should be passed requiring the provision of red rear lights on all cycles and motorcycles, and has passed a resolution, a copy of which is to be forwarded. to the Prime Minister, the Home Secretary, and the member of Parliament for the Guildford division.

The town clerk is to communicate with certain police authorities with a view to the adoption by them of similar resolutions.

A Gamer for Timber Carrying.

We illustrate on this page a_Garner model 40 standard lorry, built for the transport of timber to the order of Messrs. Cartwright and Co., of Binningham. This is a repeat order, as the company have been using Garner vehicles for some time past, and have

proved them to be most economical in operating costs and most reliable in service. The latest model Garner 2-tonner of the type we illustrate now has allsteel wheels with tubular spokes, stronger road springs than those hitherto used, and tyres of larger section.

Slippery Surfaces and Faulty Driving.

Mr. A. Dryland, county surveyor of Middlesex, reporting on complaints regarding slippery roads, states that every kind of road surface is, more or less, subject to slipperiness under certain conditions of weather and traffic, and, having regard to the general good surface of asphalt from the point of view of cleanliness and durability under heavy traffic and its facility for speedy epair, the occasional slipperiness should not be allowed to prejudice its use, although every effort should be made to overcome this drawback.

Mr. Dryland says that, as a result of the recent remarkable development of motor traffic, there are undoubtedly many inexperienced drivers on the road, -with little knowledge of their vehicles or of driving. In many cases a good road surface, no doubt, tempts •these drivers to indulge in a burst of speed, and they have insufficient experience of driving to know how to act in an emergency.

B24 One has only to make a very short observation of the driving of vehicles at cross-roads, adds Mr. Dryland, to realize the risks that many drivers run through making no decrease of speed or giving warning of their approach to other road users.

British Motor Trust Dividends.

We learn that the British Motor Trust Co., Ltd., of 34, Victoria Street, London, S.W.1, have declared a dividend of 10 per cent. (less tax) on the ordinary shares of the company, and 2s. 6d. per share (free of tax) on the employees' shares.

Dunlops at the Paris Show.

The Dunlop Rubber Co., Ltd., inform us that the company's position in France seems to have been considerably strengthened during the past two years, for at this year's Automobile Show held at the Grand Palais, Paris, there were

40 per cent, more Dunlop tyres fitted to the vehicles exhibited-than was the case at the 1922 Show. The company's tyre equipment was to be found on many types of commercial vehicle, including goods and passenger-carrying machines.

Redline Spirit Co. Centralizing.

The Redline Motor Spirit Co., Lid., who market the well-known brand of Redline fuel, and have had their 'ocean installation and filling depot at Dingle Bank, Liverpool, for some time past, have centralized their activities on this centre, where orders which have hitherto been attended to from their offices at Picton Road, Wavertree, will in future receive attention. Extensions have been made at Dingle Bank in order to per mit this step to be undertaken. "

Pratt's gasoline.

The Anglo-American Oil Co., Ltd., recently decided to change the name of Pratt's No. 1 spirit to Pratt's Perfection spirit, with the object of,avoidine. any confusion with other motor fuels. known as No. 1. This change, we are told, has had the desired effect, and the proprietors of Pratt's spirit have accordingly decided to identify, their spirit for commercial motor vehicles in a similar manner by branding No. 111 as Pratt's Gasoline.

Local Proceedings.

Bombay Corporation has purchased a 1-ton Chevrolet chassis for use as a hearse.

Chesterfield Corporation has decided to purchase a petrol motor van for the electricity department.

LancaShire County Council has purchased a motorbus at a cost of 2755 for use at Els-wick sanatorium.

The London County Council has purchased two tipping lorries for the tramways department at a total cost of 21,030.

The Ebbw Vale -Urban District Council has confirmed a committee recommendation that a new motor lorry be purchased.

Smethwick Town Council has authorized the purchase of a 1-ton motor lorry with an attachment for the gritting of roads.

South Shields Corporation is seeking sanction for a loan of 21,488 for the purchase of an electric vehicle from Electricars, Ltd. • Birkenhead Corporation has empowered the borough engineer to purchase two additional tipping wagons for refuse collection.

Stoke-on-Trent Corporation Cleansing Committee recommends the purchase of a Vulcan chassis from Mr. E. Goodall, of Tun stall, at a cost of 2420.

Chesterfield Corporation has obtained the sanction of the Ministry of Transport to a loan of 45,830 for the purchase of four motor omnibuses.

Chesterfield Watch Committee 'reports that a contrivance has been fitted to the Leyland motor fire-engine so that if necessary it can tow the steam engine to outbreaks of fire.

Stoke-on-Trent Watch Committee, in refusing to place a traffic constable at a crossin,g, mentions that the cost of maintaining a police officer on point duty would be over 2750 per annum.

On the suggestion of the chief constable, the Brighton Watch Committee has decided that in the future omnibus and char4bancs licences shall be granted for twelve instead of six months.

Birkenhead Watch Committee has granted an application from Messrs. Handing's, of Birkenhead, for lieences in respect of six motorbuses to ply for hire between Borough Road and the borough boundary.

• Coulsdon and Purley Urban District Council proposes the purchase of an ambulance from the Metropolitan Asylums Board, which is standardizing its fleet of vehicles and disposing of types not 'of standard design.

Reterborough chief constable has inquired whether it is the intention of the watch committee to . license new Ford omnibuses . or to -limit the number, of passengers .to be carried. The committee has has decided to consider the question.

A committee of the Uxbridge Urban District Council has considered the question:. of the adoption of motorvans and' lorries for house refuse collection and other work, with the particulars and prices of Ford lorries and Foden wagons obtained by the surveyor, but is of opinion that motor vehicles cannot be adopted with advantage in the existing area controlled by the council and whilst the present refuse shoot is in use.


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